Stellung Regenpfeifer in Polen
Stellung Regenpfeifer in Polen
Hallo.
Ich suche Informationen über die Stellung Regenpfeifer.
Regenpfeifer
am Bahnhof Labisch bei Regenwalde
aufgelöst ca. 06/1944
13./Ln-Rgt. 214
Hoffmann II/1 S. 325: "Eine andere aufgelöste Stellung im Bereich der 4. (jetzt 1.) Jagddivision „Regenpfeifer" (13./Ln-Rgt. 214 - alt) am Bahnhof Labisch, bei Regenwalde, war seit 1943, wie der damalige Leutnant Büttner dem Verfasser berichtete, nur einmal bei dem Angriff der 8. US-Luftflotte am 29. Mai 1944, einem Pfingstsonntag, mit 224 Liberator-Bombern auf die Hydrierwerke Stettin-Pölitz in Aktion getreten. Kurze Zeit später wurde das Personal in alle Winde versetzt."
In den Karten von SES und der Powerpoint-Präsentation habe ich die Stellung nicht gefunden. Regenwalde heißt heute Resko und liegt 53:46:25N (53.7735) / 015:23:52E (15.3979). Eine Eisenbahnlinie ist auch dort.
Viele Grüße,
Leif
Ich suche Informationen über die Stellung Regenpfeifer.
Regenpfeifer
am Bahnhof Labisch bei Regenwalde
aufgelöst ca. 06/1944
13./Ln-Rgt. 214
Hoffmann II/1 S. 325: "Eine andere aufgelöste Stellung im Bereich der 4. (jetzt 1.) Jagddivision „Regenpfeifer" (13./Ln-Rgt. 214 - alt) am Bahnhof Labisch, bei Regenwalde, war seit 1943, wie der damalige Leutnant Büttner dem Verfasser berichtete, nur einmal bei dem Angriff der 8. US-Luftflotte am 29. Mai 1944, einem Pfingstsonntag, mit 224 Liberator-Bombern auf die Hydrierwerke Stettin-Pölitz in Aktion getreten. Kurze Zeit später wurde das Personal in alle Winde versetzt."
In den Karten von SES und der Powerpoint-Präsentation habe ich die Stellung nicht gefunden. Regenwalde heißt heute Resko und liegt 53:46:25N (53.7735) / 015:23:52E (15.3979). Eine Eisenbahnlinie ist auch dort.
Viele Grüße,
Leif
Hello Leif,
A very good and difficult question. That's one of mysteries unsolved so far. We've been discussing it with SES, Michel and Alkali in early May, but we focused more at Antilope and Languste Stellungen.
That's what I wrote:
"The info about "Regenpfeifer" is suspicious to me but the localisation described seems to be interesting - Bahnhof Labisch, Regenwalde. Regenwalde is a "Kreis" - a piece of teritory - a "county". Bahnhof Labisch in fact never existed. But using a database I found that a similar village in Kreis Regenwalde did exist - Bahnhof Labes. It is placed next to town Labes. Thus I'm convinced that we should consider it to be the place where "Languste" Stellung, shown at the map from April 1943, was localised."
As you can see - Hoffmann's localisation of Regenpfeifer is next to town Labes. It's slightly bigger than nearby (25 km) placed Regenwalde - thus it might have given its first letter "L" to the name of Stellung. So I do think that Languste might have been located in the very same place - instead of Regenpfeifer. Hoffmann is not non-erroneous, unfortunately...
Besides, none of the known maps (I have 4 of them from different periods) shows Regenpfeifer in Poland. Only the map from April 1943 shows Languste somewhere there.
Changing name of the Stellung in the exactly same place sometimes happened - in Poland e.g. Dolphin was renamed Dobbermann. (Raddack bei Cammin, near Dievenov). So Regenpfeifer could have been Languste - if it really ever existed under that name in Poland.
brgds, M.
A very good and difficult question. That's one of mysteries unsolved so far. We've been discussing it with SES, Michel and Alkali in early May, but we focused more at Antilope and Languste Stellungen.
That's what I wrote:
"The info about "Regenpfeifer" is suspicious to me but the localisation described seems to be interesting - Bahnhof Labisch, Regenwalde. Regenwalde is a "Kreis" - a piece of teritory - a "county". Bahnhof Labisch in fact never existed. But using a database I found that a similar village in Kreis Regenwalde did exist - Bahnhof Labes. It is placed next to town Labes. Thus I'm convinced that we should consider it to be the place where "Languste" Stellung, shown at the map from April 1943, was localised."
As you can see - Hoffmann's localisation of Regenpfeifer is next to town Labes. It's slightly bigger than nearby (25 km) placed Regenwalde - thus it might have given its first letter "L" to the name of Stellung. So I do think that Languste might have been located in the very same place - instead of Regenpfeifer. Hoffmann is not non-erroneous, unfortunately...
Besides, none of the known maps (I have 4 of them from different periods) shows Regenpfeifer in Poland. Only the map from April 1943 shows Languste somewhere there.
Changing name of the Stellung in the exactly same place sometimes happened - in Poland e.g. Dolphin was renamed Dobbermann. (Raddack bei Cammin, near Dievenov). So Regenpfeifer could have been Languste - if it really ever existed under that name in Poland.
brgds, M.
Hi Leif,
As Michal says some of us spent a couple of weeks going through the documentation on Stellungen in Poland, and what I have on my site is the result. As stated the German maps and Hoffmann have slightly contradictory information, and in those cases we went through a process for each and every site as described above. I think "our" map on gyges is 95 - 98 % correct.
bregds
SES
As Michal says some of us spent a couple of weeks going through the documentation on Stellungen in Poland, and what I have on my site is the result. As stated the German maps and Hoffmann have slightly contradictory information, and in those cases we went through a process for each and every site as described above. I think "our" map on gyges is 95 - 98 % correct.
bregds
SES
Now I'm convinced that "Regenpfeifer" is the successor to "Languste" - Stellung No. 101, manned by the same Kompanie (13./214).
In the same way "Dobermann" became succesor to "Dolphin" and "Windhund" to "Wachtel". Moreover, sites "Regenpfeifer" and "Languste" were disbanded around June-July 1944 as they became, according to Hoffmann, "redundant".
In the same way "Dobermann" became succesor to "Dolphin" and "Windhund" to "Wachtel". Moreover, sites "Regenpfeifer" and "Languste" were disbanded around June-July 1944 as they became, according to Hoffmann, "redundant".
Thanks for the support, SES. My suspection and belief have become a fact.
Although, I also believe that Hoffmann made a spelling mistake in its geographical location - "Bahnhof Labisch" did not exist. I presume he meant Bahnhof Labes. We will be chcecking it in the area when time allows. What do the documents say about location? "Labisch" or Labes?
brgds,
Michal
Although, I also believe that Hoffmann made a spelling mistake in its geographical location - "Bahnhof Labisch" did not exist. I presume he meant Bahnhof Labes. We will be chcecking it in the area when time allows. What do the documents say about location? "Labisch" or Labes?
brgds,
Michal
Hi Michal,
Unfortunately the doc. does not give locations, but it also confirms the change of name of WACHTEL to WINDHUND.
bregds
SES
PS I've updated the map:
http://www.gyges.dk/Flum%20and%20Jagd.htm
to reflect REGENPFEIFER
Unfortunately the doc. does not give locations, but it also confirms the change of name of WACHTEL to WINDHUND.
bregds
SES
PS I've updated the map:
http://www.gyges.dk/Flum%20and%20Jagd.htm
to reflect REGENPFEIFER